When They Just Can’t Win, Part 8 – Breitbart Rage Quitting

My gmail draft folder is filled with hundreds of facebook threads.  Whenever I start debating a leftist, I go straight ahead and start saving the thread right away, knowing that posting facts and evidence nearly always results in being blocked or unfriended (I think I might still only be connected with fewer than 10 leftists, as they need that safe-space echo-chamber).

Anyway, on to today’s debate.

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Does any other first world country treat segments of it’s population as badly as America does? [Go ahead and guess who this person voted for during the election.  Take a wild stab in the dark.]

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Nona Dorsky I am sure there is prejudice all over. When money has power, there is prejudice
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Jerry Rex Long
Jerry Rex Long OF course…surely you KNOW that…..
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John R. Armstrong
John R. Armstrong Yes, but we have something called the…What was it? OH!
“Bill of Rights”. Rarely used today but still…
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Athena Brown
Athena Brown What segment of our population – besides straight white men – does America treat badly? [Harmless enough question, right?]
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Karen Chuplis
Karen Chuplis Oh really? Those poor men who are catered to continually? 🙄 [Triggered]
Athena Brown

Athena Brown Yea, those men who are constantly blamed for absolutely everything no matter what they do or what happens. If they say hello, it’s a catcall. If they they open a door for you, it’s sexism. If they say you’re beautiful, it’s benevolent sexism. If they try to explain themselves – oh look man’splaining! If they give up and sit down – oh man’spreading! When they finally give up and leave – ah, male privilege!

That might be why the suicide rate for men is 3 times higher than for women. Because they’re “constantly catered to”. Sure.

Anyway, what segment of the population does America treat badly besides for them?

Karen Chuplis
Karen Chuplis Athena Brown OFFS. You live in a dream world.
Athena Brown
Athena Brown ^ Not an argument.
Karen Chuplis
Karen Chuplis Athena Brown ^ you haven’t presented a defense.
Athena Brown
Athena Brown[Basically, took a screen shot to show the other person that they’re ignoring what was just said.  I’ve probably had to do this over a hundred times so far.]
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Karen Chuplis
Karen Chuplis Athena Brown yeah. No. That’s not a defense.
Athena Brown

Athena Brown What do I need to “defend’?

I asked what group is being treated badly besides white cis-gender men. You made a sarcastic remark that they were catered to. I gave you 7 examples where that group is treated badly.

So what at this point am I supposed to be defending?

Karen Chuplis

Karen Chuplis https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/386102/

Recent experiments put numbers on everyday discrimination, shifting the dialogue away from…
theatlantic.com|By Joe Pinsker [Annnnnnnnnnd here we go.]
Athena Brown

Athena Brown ^ My question was “what do I need to defend”, and you post an article about white privilege.

But okay, lets respond to your article then. I’m 100% sure that I’m not going to get any well thought out or articulated response in return. You’re going to see a wall of text that doesn’t agree with you, freak out, call me names, then leave the thread. I mean that’s generally the only response there is when presented with facts and evidence these days.

[Yep, here’s another >> point ^^^ by >> point ^^^ rebuttal – and it ends exactly the way I said it would.  Gets kind of old sometimes, that I’m the only one that ever seems to actually read the links that someone posts, and then goes through and responds to them.  I’ll post a link in return, and it’s nearly always “Oh haha you cited Forbes / CNN / Washington Times / AND THEY DISAGREE WITH ME ARE RACIST!!!]

From the link:

>> Thirty-seven percent of white Americans believe that the police treat black people less fairly; 70 percent of black Americans feel the same way.

^^^ Well that’s because blacks aren’t treated less fairly, and that image is simply perpetuated by the media. Have you actually researched this?

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/13/black-harvard-economist-finds-no-bias-against-blacks-in-police-shootings/<– research done by a BLACK professor that finds no bias in police shootings. [The black Harvard professor in question and his study appears on numerous other websites.  I’m familiar with the study, and posted breitbart simply because it was the first one that came up on a google search.  I’m pretty sure I could have used any source and they would have had a similar response.]

Straight from this professor’s research:

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In officer-involved shootings in these cities, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white. Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both of these results undercut the idea that the police wield lethal force with racial bias.
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^ But this doesn’t agree with Buzzfeed telling you that poor blacks are being shot on sight everywhere they go so it gets filtered.

You can find more here: http://www.4thwavers.net/black-lives-matter-and-racism/

From the link:

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A study conducted by the Washington Post found that white officers shooting unarmed black men accounted for only 4% of fatal shootings. Moreover, in 3 out of 4 fatal shootings, the police were under attack, or defending someone else who was.
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^ So that might have something to do with people ACCURATELY BELIEVING that blacks are not treated worse by the police. Although the Atlantic article you linked somehow begins by making the case that if you don’t believe this propaganda, that’s somehow a problem.

Moving on, back to the Atlantic article:

>> That’s why studies showing that employers prefer to hire candidates with caucasian-sounding names over those with black-sounding ones

^^^ 1. A “caucasian sounding name” is already questionable. A black person can be named “Steve”.

2. The studies in question fail to discern whether or not this actually has an impact on whether or not a person gets the job. Seeing a resume with this or that name on it is only one part of the hiring process. The study did not examine whether or not blacks actually get hired at a lower rate than whites, but instead focus only on that one aspect.

3. Two words: Affirmative Action.

>> and that the racial composition of juries affects trial outcomes are so powerful.

^^^ The study itself is linked right there in the thread (I know, you didn’t bother to read it).

The study does not isolate or use any controls considering the actual guilt of the defendant. How many white defendants were on trial for purse snatching? How many black defendants were on trial FOR MURDER? The study doesn’t distinguish this.

In fact, on page 5 of the study:

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The ability of our analysis to draw firm conclusions about the fairness of trial outcomes, however, is fundamentally limited by the fact that the strength of the evidence in cases brought against white and black defendants is not observed directly in the data.
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^ Sorry but that pretty much invalidates the entire study.

>> And it’s why “Still Not Allowed on the Bus,” a working paper published late last year by two researchers based in Australia

^^^ It’d be real nice if the link to that paper actually worked. Cuz then I would read the paper itself, and if all the facts and evidence checks out, then congratulations, you’ve found a single example of white privilege.

Which doesn’t, by the way, do anything to invalidate all the white-disadvantages I named earlier. Those all still stand.

Anyway the study is mentioned:

>> In their experiment, Mujcic and Frijters enlisted 29 volunteers from different racial and ethnic backgrounds to board public buses, tell the drivers that they lacked the roughly $3.50 needed to ride, and say that they needed to get to a stop about a mile away. They were then asked to record whether the driver let them stay onboard.

^^^ Did you control for how the participants were dressed? How they otherwise presented? Whether or not they showered? Whether or not they asked politely? Whether or not they were male or female?

I mean an African super model is likely to be let on for free. Hell she could probably get a free ride and also come of with money she didn’t have before she got on. These are factors that need to be controlled for, as the experimenters can very easily manipulate such factors to get the results they want.

The very next study after that alters how the participants were dressed – and what do you know, the ones who were dressed properly *clearly* got to ride more often. That study also doesn’t control for the other factors I mentioned.

>> In that survey, 86 percent of drivers said they’d let a black passenger stay onboard—a rate far higher than what happened out on the streets. Perhaps drivers know that they shouldn’t discriminate, but only act on that knowledge when they think their actions are being recorded.

^^^ Or, like I said, facial expression, body language, tone, tempo of speech, choice of words, and situational factors all play a role, and can all be manipulated to get the result you want.

Alright so that’s the entire article.

Now what else do you want me to “defend”?

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Karen Chuplis
Karen Chuplis Breitbart. 😂😂😂😂😂 [Basically she just says “Breitbart” – followed by laughing emojis.]
Athena Brown

Athena Brown ^ Okay, here’s the exact same article hosted on The New York Times: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html [This link gets conveniently ignored.  But what better thing to do with evidence you can’t answer?]

What else?

Athena Brown
Athena Brown Can’t help but notice that you didn’t actually read anything I posted. You saw “Breitbart” at the bottom, and decided just saying the name was enough to work as a response.
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Pat Allison
Pat Allison Athena Brown, you quoted Breitbart? And you have the nerve to accuse another responder of a failure to say something intelligent? That’s fucking hilarious, good bye.
Athena Brown

Athena Brown ^ No, I also quoted the New York Times, which is where Breitbart got it’s article from. [Breitbart even links to the New York Times on their article – though I’m pretty sure they didn’t click the link, so they wouldn’t know.]

I mean I appreciate the logical fallacy of attacking the source as much as the next person, but really, the NEW YORK TIMES SOURCE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

Or do I need to post another screen shot of it being right there and you ignoring it?

Unable to post comment. <— [And there you go.  He unfriended me, so I’m no longer able to see the thread.]

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I’ve had countless other people do this too, so it’s nothing special.  I just haven’t felt the content was good enough to make for an interesting post, but this one was pretty straight forward and is a good representative of what usually happens when debating leftist online.